http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#147e5d9f-44d1-44f0-813c-e18fe01b38e4 What an irresponsible waste! Ack! Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:29:36 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#147e5d9f-44d1-44f0-813c-e18fe01b38e4 Mickey 2008-08-04T03:29:36Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#3b106efd-bc3d-4fea-ba37-0548e9711421 Oh my God!!! I cant beleive that. Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:22:37 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#3b106efd-bc3d-4fea-ba37-0548e9711421 $item.owner.firstName 2008-08-04T03:22:37Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#c450491e-233d-4f6d-a809-6dbf502b9ef5 Well kids, The gun made it back from France. All the way to California, where my brother showed it to his eager twin brother, and they promptly loaded it with a tripple charge of black powder, and managed to somehow swage a slug of similar caliber down the barrel, and put new flint in it, and touched it off. Now, nobody knows where Ye Olde French Pistol be. They have most of the stock, and part of the front of the barrel, and the hammer, and one of the springs. Well, that was fun. I'm sure glad he gave the gun to his twin brother instead of me, because I would have actually taken care of an authentic 1810 flintlock pistol from europe.... I guess if anyone has any old old guns and they wonder if it's strong enough to handle a bullet anymore, I know a couple of guys who will test it for free. Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:53:57 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#c450491e-233d-4f6d-a809-6dbf502b9ef5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-08-04T02:53:57Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#f39bbbd3-a2cc-4e60-ba80-0491dc2e7e26 A gun from the battle of the Alamo (and only dropped once at the battle of San Jacinto :) would be a fantastic heirloom. Way cool! My dad has a couple of Trejo's which are significant as being the last hand guns manufactured in Mexico. New guns are fine and all, but old guns have history. I was able to trace my Vetterli all the way back to being carried by Spanish border patrol ca. 1860 (you can still see the stock number!!) I have a Colt 38LC that is stamped for the RCMP, and on the butt you can actually see the dings from where a mounty used it to tack up wanted posters. Sat, 24 May 2008 15:32:23 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#f39bbbd3-a2cc-4e60-ba80-0491dc2e7e26 Adam 2008-05-24T15:32:23Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#0a1b6576-c7e2-4aac-85a8-5c1697b1b4d0 He's not that gun savy... He's one of two nearly identical twins, the other twin is the lucky bastard who seems to be the designated family heir to any odd gun that comes through the family. It pisses me off to no end, as he's not even old enough to legally posess a firearm but whatever. So he'll be the one to get the gun if his twin brother can get it across the pond. He's got a carcano that came from our mezzican side of the family from who knows when.... some military guy in the family tree... Also has Ye Olde Mezzican 'tercerlo' or I dunno what the gun really is, but according to the family story, it was pointed at davey crocket and put a few dents in the Alamo. It certainly looks old enough. And me, firstborn son, I get nothing but what I give myself. Someone break out the violin, please. I need to cry for a while. Anyways, Brother-in-france says he's going to see about getting it registered, and if he gets a fuss from the government of the frogs, he'll just chuck it in a dumpster. He really doesn't care much for guns. Bastard. lol Sat, 24 May 2008 01:33:36 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#0a1b6576-c7e2-4aac-85a8-5c1697b1b4d0 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-24T01:33:36Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#28884993-430d-4829-8b3a-1a4e6d3b04e0 And 1810 should make it a flintlock. I don't think percussion caps were in use at that time. Fri, 23 May 2008 22:06:27 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#28884993-430d-4829-8b3a-1a4e6d3b04e0 Adam 2008-05-23T22:06:27Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#2b899cac-e5d1-4e78-b1fb-a0751ea54b03 He should check with custome to be sure (both in France and the US) but black powder muzzleloaders are n ot considered firearms and can be shipped through US mail without an FFL. If you order a new BP gun from Cabelas they ship it right to you. However, France is another planet and they may have issues with shipping it. No law against asking. He could check with a lawyer, but it's customs who'll bust his ass, not a the BAR. Fri, 23 May 2008 22:03:02 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#2b899cac-e5d1-4e78-b1fb-a0751ea54b03 Adam 2008-05-23T22:03:02Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#51f9c947-a4c3-4521-b849-1d2abd58afe2 The part that receives the cartridge is the part that would cause you the most grief. That is the part that is defined in the law as a firearm. At least the law in the USA however, I haven't a clue what the French law says. At any rate the potential and unknown penalties are not ( in my opinion) not worth the item. Fri, 23 May 2008 18:24:34 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#51f9c947-a4c3-4521-b849-1d2abd58afe2 ALLAH God of all 2008-05-23T18:24:34Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#93cad763-05fd-4b72-a6af-132b5c0f244e That's what I'm thinking. I would even send each part in a different box. That way, nobody is sending a firearm anywhere. Just parts. It doesn't exactly have a reciever, I can't imagine there's anything wrong with sending a wooden handle, an old barrel, and a hammer/sear parts kit in three separate boxes. Unless like he said, it's some draconian laws that put you in jail for life if you get caught with a bullet or a primer in your pocket. Fri, 23 May 2008 01:52:42 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#93cad763-05fd-4b72-a6af-132b5c0f244e $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-23T01:52:42Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#8a740593-3566-4095-b111-7a2b3e1e56a5 I would just put it in a box and drop it off at the first fed ex office and send it home. Thu, 22 May 2008 18:42:22 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#8a740593-3566-4095-b111-7a2b3e1e56a5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-22T18:42:22Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#3274c088-85d1-4c31-9085-48e23347524d His first call should be to a French Lawyer. The problems can run the gamut of "National Treasures" all the way to an absolute prohibition on possession like they have in Malaysia where the mere possession of one lousy bullet gets you the death sentence. Mon, 19 May 2008 13:54:58 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#3274c088-85d1-4c31-9085-48e23347524d ALLAH God of all 2008-05-19T13:54:58Z http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#710b902c-0e8a-40a0-9cea-17702fbceaec My little brother, 17 years of age, is finishing up a year of foreign exchange program in the south of france. He found himself at a french flea market, wandering around for the experience of it all, and ended up trapped in french conversation with an elderly couple who were just delighted at his willingness to sample their culture. When they left the market, they gave him a box of odds-and-ends, to sell as he liked. For the full experience I suppose. He found a blackpowder pistol in the bottom of the box. Authentically aged, barrel dated 1810. I believe it's a caplock but he didn't describe it too well. My question: How the hell do you get such a prized little trinquet back here, stateside? How do you ship a firearm out of a country where firearms are prohibited and supposedly all confescated long ago, and how do you get it into a country where just about everything brought in is electronically scrutinized and anything under the 'weapons/bombs' category will get you in trouble? My one singular hope lies in the idea that this gun should not be in any wise ATF regulated, as it obviously does not qualify under their rules of regulation, no matter how you slice it. But how to get it stateside? Anybody out there with some help? I have about two months left to help my brother or he's gonna chicken out and ditch it in a trash can. HELP!!!! Mon, 19 May 2008 05:10:21 GMT http://gunversation.tribe.net/thread/2cac7574-ad5d-4b1f-afa5-9786fe229a8d#710b902c-0e8a-40a0-9cea-17702fbceaec $item.owner.firstName 2008-05-19T05:10:21Z