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Over two months ago, the National Association for Gun Rights first broke this incredible tale out of Shreveport, Louisiana.
At the time, no other gun rights organization had touched the story. But when we tracked down the victim for an interview, we couldn't believe what we heard, and we immediately sent out a nationwide alert.
The story went viral overnight.
If this tale of government abuse moves you, send it to a friend or family member to get the word out.
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According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops "have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have": His cops can take away your rights.
And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?
Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck -- and had his gun confiscated.
While the officer who pulled him over says Baillio failed to use his turn signal, the only questions he had for Baillio concerned guns: Whether he had a gun, where the gun was, and if he was a member of a pro-gun organization. No requests for a driver's licence, proof of insurance, or vehicle registration -- and no discussion of a turn signal.
Accordingly, Baillio told the officer the truth, which led the police officer to search his car without permission and confiscate his gun.
However, not only does Louisiana law allow resident to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!
What does such behavior demonstrate, other than transparent political profiling -- going so far as to use the infamous Department of Homeland Security report on "Americans of a rightwing persuasion" as a how-to guidebook, no less?
Mr. Baillio made no secret of his political affiliations: An American flag centers a wide flourish of pro-freedom stickers and decals on his back windshield.
In fact, when Baillio asked the officer if everyone he pulls over gets the same treatment, the officer said no and pointed to the back of his truck.
Baillio phoned Mayor Glover to complain about this "suspension of rights" only to find that his city's morbidly obese "commander in chief" was elated at the story: According to Glover, Baillio got "served well, protected well, and even got a consideration that maybe [he] should not have gotten."
Thankfully, Mr. Baillio recorded a good bit of that phone call. You can watch a video with the transcriptions here. I've reproduced a chunk of the call below:
Baillio: (in the context of being asked about the presence of a gun) Well, I answered that question honestly, and he disarmed me.
Glover: Which would be an appropriate and proper action, sir. The fact that you gave the correct answer -- it simply means that you did what it is you were supposed to have done, and that is to give that weapon to the police officer so he could appropriately place it in a place where it would not be a threat to you, to him, or to anyone in the general public.
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Glover: My direction to you is that, had you chosen not to properly identify the fact that you had a weapon and directed that officer to where that weapon was located; had you been taken from the vehicle, and the officer, in the interest of his safety, chose to secure you in a safe position, and then looked, found, and determined that you did, in fact, have a weapon...then, sir, you would have faced additional, [inaudible], and more severe criminal sanctions.
Baillio: So what you're saying is: I give up all my rights to keep and bear arms if I'm stopped by the police: Is that correct?
Glover: Sir, you have no right, when you have been pulled over by a police officer for a potential criminal offense [which would be what?! - DB] to stand there with your weapon at your side in your hand [Baillio's weapon was nowhere near his side or his hand, and Glover knew that. -- DB] because of your second amendment rights, sir. That does not mean at that point your second amendment right has been taken away; it means at that particular point in time, it has been suspended.
Will Grigg from ProLibertate, an excellent freedom blog, has this to say:
According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian's duty is to surrender his gun -- willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.
From Glover's perspective, it is only when firearms are in the hands of people other than the state's uniformed enforcers/oppressors that they constitute a threat, not only to the public and those in charge of exercising official violence but also to the private gun owner himself.
NAGR spoke with Mr. Baillio, and he told us that he's in the process of securing the official procedures and codes for firearm handling and private property confiscation for the Shreveport police department.
So far, the city has been half-heartedly cooperating with him.
"I felt sick," Baillio told NAGR. "My uncles didn't die for this country so I could surrender my rights like a wimp. I felt terrible. I was just thinking of all that my family has done for freedom in this nation -- including dying -- and here they are disarming me at a traffic stop."
What to do?
Over two months ago, the National Association for Gun Rights first broke this incredible tale out of Shreveport, Louisiana.
At the time, no other gun rights organization had touched the story. But when we tracked down the victim for an interview, we couldn't believe what we heard, and we immediately sent out a nationwide alert.
The story went viral overnight.
If this tale of government abuse moves you, send it to a friend or family member to get the word out.
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According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops "have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have": His cops can take away your rights.
And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?
Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck -- and had his gun confiscated.
While the officer who pulled him over says Baillio failed to use his turn signal, the only questions he had for Baillio concerned guns: Whether he had a gun, where the gun was, and if he was a member of a pro-gun organization. No requests for a driver's licence, proof of insurance, or vehicle registration -- and no discussion of a turn signal.
Accordingly, Baillio told the officer the truth, which led the police officer to search his car without permission and confiscate his gun.
However, not only does Louisiana law allow resident to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!
What does such behavior demonstrate, other than transparent political profiling -- going so far as to use the infamous Department of Homeland Security report on "Americans of a rightwing persuasion" as a how-to guidebook, no less?
Mr. Baillio made no secret of his political affiliations: An American flag centers a wide flourish of pro-freedom stickers and decals on his back windshield.
In fact, when Baillio asked the officer if everyone he pulls over gets the same treatment, the officer said no and pointed to the back of his truck.
Baillio phoned Mayor Glover to complain about this "suspension of rights" only to find that his city's morbidly obese "commander in chief" was elated at the story: According to Glover, Baillio got "served well, protected well, and even got a consideration that maybe [he] should not have gotten."
Thankfully, Mr. Baillio recorded a good bit of that phone call. You can watch a video with the transcriptions here. I've reproduced a chunk of the call below:
Baillio: (in the context of being asked about the presence of a gun) Well, I answered that question honestly, and he disarmed me.
Glover: Which would be an appropriate and proper action, sir. The fact that you gave the correct answer -- it simply means that you did what it is you were supposed to have done, and that is to give that weapon to the police officer so he could appropriately place it in a place where it would not be a threat to you, to him, or to anyone in the general public.
[. . .]
Glover: My direction to you is that, had you chosen not to properly identify the fact that you had a weapon and directed that officer to where that weapon was located; had you been taken from the vehicle, and the officer, in the interest of his safety, chose to secure you in a safe position, and then looked, found, and determined that you did, in fact, have a weapon...then, sir, you would have faced additional, [inaudible], and more severe criminal sanctions.
Baillio: So what you're saying is: I give up all my rights to keep and bear arms if I'm stopped by the police: Is that correct?
Glover: Sir, you have no right, when you have been pulled over by a police officer for a potential criminal offense [which would be what?! - DB] to stand there with your weapon at your side in your hand [Baillio's weapon was nowhere near his side or his hand, and Glover knew that. -- DB] because of your second amendment rights, sir. That does not mean at that point your second amendment right has been taken away; it means at that particular point in time, it has been suspended.
Will Grigg from ProLibertate, an excellent freedom blog, has this to say:
According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian's duty is to surrender his gun -- willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.
From Glover's perspective, it is only when firearms are in the hands of people other than the state's uniformed enforcers/oppressors that they constitute a threat, not only to the public and those in charge of exercising official violence but also to the private gun owner himself.
NAGR spoke with Mr. Baillio, and he told us that he's in the process of securing the official procedures and codes for firearm handling and private property confiscation for the Shreveport police department.
So far, the city has been half-heartedly cooperating with him.
"I felt sick," Baillio told NAGR. "My uncles didn't die for this country so I could surrender my rights like a wimp. I felt terrible. I was just thinking of all that my family has done for freedom in this nation -- including dying -- and here they are disarming me at a traffic stop."
What to do?
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Re: your rights are suspended
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 4:44 PMWhat ya wanna bet the gun in question went up to private auction where the cops who took it got to buy it on some low bid.
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:49 PMIt will be interesting to see the outcome. This is part of what did in the last police chief in Louisiana. The part of this that is not mentioned is HOW LONG was the weapon taken from him. If only for the duration of the traffic stop then that is one thing. If it was confiscated then it is a 4th ammendment violation under color of law. -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 2:11 PMIt's more than a 4th amendment problem it's a takings problem and maybe a separation of powers problem .
The problem is the citizen has to pay his own way into Federal court. And when he loses he's gotta pay the legal bill for the pig he sued.
And the Supreme court has recently held that pigs are absolutely immune from liability for search and seizure litigation under code section 1983 because the the law ( so said the Court) is so complex that the police can't be expected to understand it.
This was a case where the pigs conducted a warrantless invasion of a person's home on the say so of an unreliable source.
I found that holding to be unbelievable in it's breathless panting drooling pandering to the pigs. It's as if the court wants police to be able to do any god dammed thing they please and be exposed to no liability.
Over the years the Court has slowly been slicing exceptions out of Code Section 1893 and as of this day it is questionable that police can face liability under federal law for falsely imprisoning you and cutting your arms off.
The left - famous from the 1960 - 70s era of pro civil rights legislation and court holdings has undergone a full scale reversal not seemingly entirely hostile to civil rights save for sexuality and racially oriented rights with a smattering of pro narcotics legalization issues tossed in.
The left seems to have decided that any rights that it will support are all about pleasure. Everything else is on the chopping block.
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 3:59 PMROFL if that's an inversion of the truth - your diminished rights in this area is a direct result of the right-wing bush years, nothing to do with the left whatsoever. where's the famous "right" and it's pro-gun lobby? why aren't they doiing their "duty" and taking these matters to the courts? The NRA, for one, are loaded with funds and networks - so where is the action? "you people" have always distanced yourself from the left and snuggled up comfortably with the far right to endlessly attack every "left" principle, including human/civil rights - now you're whinging because "the left" won't protect you from the natural consequences of right-wing politics? The hypocrisy is both astounding and laughable.
"The left - famous from the 1960 - 70s era of pro civil rights legislation and court holdings has undergone a full scale reversal not seemingly entirely hostile to civil rights save for sexuality and racially oriented rights with a smattering of pro narcotics legalization issues tossed in.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:43 AMHere:
uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...f1e6bcb0
Because I think you are the victim of a propaganda campaign.
And it might be well to pay a lot of attention to the Democratic political position on using the commerce clause to infringe on your privacy all the way down to what groceries you can grow in your back yard garden
tribes.tribe.net/america/t...0469ecf9aa
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 12:00 PMoh dear god, you're one of them . . . uh o.k. whatever . . . -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 6:23 PMOne of them. Yah ok I'm one of them.
I like being one of them.
We eat well, drink heartily, have infinite joie de verve, and live high on the hog.
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Re: your rights are suspended
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 12:03 PMcheck out the 1st link it posted and you figure it out
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Tue, October 27, 2009 - 11:54 AM**********one of what? *****************
Oh he's just trying to be a smarmy pants and pretend to some ridiculous supercilious crap.
Typical leftist who thinks he's better than every one else.
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:43 PMThis country is going to the dogs :>( -
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Mon, November 2, 2009 - 6:36 PMThe country will take us where voters take us.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:08 AM********The country will take us where voters take us. ***************
There are times I think that Voting should have some prerequisites other than age attached to it. -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 11:36 AMthere already is you moron, even on the usual 50% or less of eligible voters who actually do vote.
"There are times I think that Voting should have some prerequisites other than age attached to it." -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 1:12 PM**********there already is you moron,****************
Still think you are better than everybody huh?>
Good luck with that.
*********** even on the usual 50% or less of eligible voters who actually do vote. *********
Not for nothing but: What does that have to do with prerequisites?
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:55 PMugh a flame war with an ignorant troll - no thank you. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:26 PM******** ugh a flame war with an ignorant troll - no thank you. ***********
I am always surprised how some people can be the only person calling names and they think they don't smell bad.
And oddly it's always people from the left.
Prolly because they are firmly convinced that they are holy and righteous - religious fanatics - and as such everything they do is always justified.
You have a nice time with that.
I guess it works for you.
To every one else it's just you in a room having fun with a dead cat. .
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:26 PMTo every one else it's just you in a room having fun with a dead cat. .
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:26 AMYeah it sure does seem that Mick has a superiority stick shoved so far up his ass that it has interfered with his brains ability to communicate with his mouth...or typing fingers.
Myself, being a staunch libertarian, do not tend to jive well with folks of the far right or left ideas.
In this I do find it amusing though as most of the time when I see folks like Mick trying to make an argument and failing miserably. The oh so obviously failure being the need to start with the name calling compounded by a pompous and arrogant sense of superiority. The feeling of "I win" because they managed to fumble around in that tiny brain of theirs and come up with "MORON" or "IDIOT" etc... Nice response! Way to keep the debate going in a productive direction. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 9:51 AMIt was really weird.
The very first thing he said involved childish name calling.
I must have offended him first by not being a mirror image of him.
That's the only explanation. It was me. I was the offensive cad who just didn't see the whole universe his way.
What can one do with such types?
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 1:24 PMDeacon Kevin - look at his posts all over tribe - he is a notorious troll. yes I fell into ad hominen - by bad. but i really was astounded at his line of argument. for the record a libertarian marxist. *shrugs whatever you make of that.
o.k. to the salient points of the discussion- I can't understand why all the neurotic angst concerning obama - he has said little about guns and done less.
As for the right to bear arms and it's seemingly diminishing right, the Bill of rights is a federal law as the supreme court in all it's right wing wisdom has seen fit to rule that the Bill Of Rights can only be upheld/enforced by the federal government and the States can trample all over it - You've got the exteme right-wingers like thomas and scalia to thank for that particular absurd ruling, again - where is the N.R.A and other more lunatic groups and their lawyers in all this? -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 2:28 PMYou really don't know a thing about the law or the supreme court do you?
Apologizing for being rude while being rude some more is not much of an apology.
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 5:17 PMoh sorry that should read "I'm" a libertarian marxist and "My" bad. -
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 9:28 AMA libertarian marxist? Isn't that like a jewish nazi?!?! Might want to check your history lesson and read more than half of it. Because in the end Karl Marx (The father of Communism and Socialism) while on his death bed was noted as stating that Communism and Socialism will ultimately fail! Take a look at France at present. Their economy is collapsing and they are being forced to either cut social programs or die as a country. Of course they are blaming the U.S. for their failure, but then again France has a history of giving up and pointing fingers. California, the U.S. state with the highest number of social programs...collapsing...or rather, collapsed!
My problem isn't with Obama per se. Matter of fact I think I would probably like the guy were I to meet him in person. He's smart enough to either keep his mouth shut or be ambiguous when answering questions.The problems I have with him is that he never directly answers a question. He says he is going to do something but never says how. The other problems are those he has appointed whom have not hidden their agenda regarding firearms. Pelosi has stated that they are waiting until a second term before they "debate" guns and gun control. This of course would be a wise move on their part. To start disarming the populace during a first term would be political suicide. But a second term would allow them to be pretty well dug in and secure. At that point they will have a stronger hold in regards to the powers that be.
Mick. It seems like you've a good heart and just want whats best. The problem is...and this is my assumption because this is what it seems like to me; is that you aren't really doing enough of your own homework on these and many other issues but your listening intently to whomever is treating you like a mushroom. Anyone who chooses to acquire their information from media, religious leaders, whisperers, propaganda (ie pamphlets and newsletters)...and that guy that treats you like a mushroom is not informed! To be truly informed one needs to dig and dig deep for the information that is fact based with examples and references to back it up. And this takes work. A lot of work! Try reading through congressional minutes and see how long you last! More than the majority of the populace in this country is willing to do. Therein lies one of our most devastating problems.
Here's some light reading for you on the Marxist bit.
Why The Marxist Ideal Cannot Work
The Marxist ideal, a highly appealing, almost Utopian
society, is impossible to achieve due to the fact that it
demands that the human mind be almost without flaws. It
asks of society and its members to be absolutely without
ranks, without greed or leadership. This has been clearly
impossible for society. Each step to achieving a communist
establishment has been, continues to be, and will be, in
actuality, a step towards the totalitarian societies of past
and current so-called communist countries. Communism
became popular solely in under-developed countries,
contrary to Marx's beliefs as to what should happen, and
its rise in these countries was the beginning of its fall. Marx
believed that the only way to overthrow capitalism was to
create a revolution of the proletariat and in essence this
revolution carries the cause even farther away from true
communism. Equality is the next issue that Marx tackled,
and in the communist ideal, it is absolutely crucial. In the
real world of distorted ideologies, it hovers in the
background. The ultimate in communist ideologies,
however, is that eventually there will be no need for
government. This essay will illustrate how, as communist
societies in the real world progress, nothing could be
further from the truth. Currently, communism, as exercised
in the few Communist countries left in the world, is far from
the Marxist ideal. From its beginnings to the present day
and into the future, communism has become distorted into
something that would be Marx's worst nightmare. Due to
"quirks" in the human mind that just can't seem to be... -
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Re: your rights are suspended
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 10:06 AMslap slap slap slap slap slap slap.
One would think he'd get sore or sumpin.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 12:11 PMno a libertarian marxist is nothing like a jewish nazi - although they did actually exist. Yes i read history *shrugs. so what? anyway, what marx said was something like "I am not a Marxist" - he was an intelligent man - just a touch of irony perhaps? I mean, jesus might well have said a similar thing . . .
I have no idea why or for what reason you are invoking France - To borrow from one of the darlings of the right, France is not a marxist government/nation nor have they ever been a marxist government/nation.
Socialism has worked in every nation it has been implemented, Cuba has a better health, education and welfare system and society than it's nearest neighbour - the wealthiest nation in the world! Americans get themselves so worked up in the doings of other people's - the typical reaction of a common bully. . . .unfortunately, your suggestions read like those of a certain kind of fanatic, however I do agree with you that getting factual information is often a difficult and time consuming process.
That little diatribe you posted on communism is just that, a biased diatribe unworthy of plucking from the endless ether of net propaganda. It's time you took an honest look at humanity and the best, fairest way of supporting human liberty and endeavor. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 9:18 AMMick, your not paying attention. I explained why I invoked France. Because they were one of the forerunners of the socialist movement and are heavily socialist. They are failing miserably and far worse than the U.S. I might add. Look it up because it is obvious that you haven't. And Cuba! What??? As far as Cuba's health care...It depends on how you are measuring it. If you are measuring it solely by level of treatment, the US wins.
However, the problem with the US is that about 20% of it doesn't have access to medical care at all, and about 40% or more cant afford to have proper treatments, even though they may have some access to care.
That drags down the overall quality significantly. Its like this, if there were 10 sick people
In Cuba, all 10 are treated with a poor level of service
In the US, six of them are treated with a high level service, 2 of them are treated with a poor level service, and 2 of them die, usually beyond the control of the health care provider. Those aren't horrible odds.
As far as socialism working in every nation...False! Please see my statement on France. Also try asking someone from France. I have and I got the same response from multiple people. I have a friend who still lives there. She's working on saving money when she can so she can leave and move to the U.S. I have another friend who did just that. He came here.
If being honestly and rationally and intelligently informed makes me a fanatic, then a fanatic I will be.
Mick it is unfortunate that you are so terribly misinformed and totally happy to be that way. But again it is easier than actually knowing the hard truth.
Bottom line is. I do not want socialism or communism! I want what I work for. It should be MY choice on how I wish to distribute what I have worked so hard to achieve. Which is very little mind you but it is mine and I earned it! And I can assure you that I will not give to a socialist system. I will fight it with every ounce of myself in whatever way it will require. My forefathers didn't shed precious blood for this country so that it could digress to the level of the systems in which they were fighting to begin with.
Unfortunately this country is over-run with people who have no actual frame of reference, no intelligent or informed decisions. They only go by what some nit-wit has fed them. And they are happy to be mushrooms!
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 2:21 PMDeacon, again, France is not a Marxist/Communist/Socialist nation, far from it and while I am paying attention (though not for much longer) I don't understand your fetishising over the French - my friends tell me they are not terribly clean as people and their food is often too rich but *shrugs whatever . . .
Your assertions on helath and politics are clearly outrageous, however, you are in part quite accurate, although by accident - America is indeed over-run by ignorant buffoons - many of them from incredible wealth including your most recent president bush - only a nation of morons could elect that clinical idiot into the highest office in the land - twice!
Ultimately right-wing capitalist based politics suffers from the same folly as their favourite politically correct nemesis the psuedo-left - and that is, like yourself, a steadfast refusal to see the truth. As Gore Vidal has so often said America is Socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor - what a terribly sad state of affairs. . . . but hey, keep on truckin' :) -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 5:42 PMFrance isn't socialist? I guess Canada isn't either...
Outrageous as they may be, they are documented and stated facts brought about by research. You should try it some time. It's quite enlightening!
Lol and I love the attempted manipulation. As if you couldn't tell that I was simply uses France as an example. An accurate reference to prove my point if you will. Thus far you have offered only usubstantiated references brought about by lip-service rather than factual and proven points. And again you probably only read 3 lines of what I wrote or skimmed over it in your eagerness to retort me as quickly as possible. I never said that France was Marxist or Communist...although Communism isn't too far from Socialism. I stated "I explained why I invoked France. Because they were one of the forerunners of the socialist movement and are heavily socialist."
But it is very apparent that you do not intend to pay attention to anything or anyone who might not agree with you and all you can do is start pointing fingers and name calling. Speaks volumes to your mentality. But I will go ahead and take the advice from an old saying. "Never argue with a fool for he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience". Good luck to you and yours and I sincerely hope that you open your eyes some day and start forming your own individual opinion. -
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 9:56 PMo.k. i get it now - you're a troll. goodbye.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 12:21 AMSo, anyway...
Here in Wisconsin it's an odd topic. A person cannot legally conceal and carry here and there is no license for it. However it is legal to open carry without a permit or training. Ironic, yes! Just goes to show what you can get accomplished by letting the ignorant make decisions.
If you are caught carrying in a concealed manner, then you are arrested, fined and your weapon is confiscated. But you can get it back so long as it is checked and found that it is a legally owned firearm.
The kicker with me on this is that conceal carry laws require the carrier to acquire proper training in the safe handling and use of the firearm. Where this crazy law allowing open carry with no training at all. Looks to me like they are hoping that this will cause problems in order to substantiate their outrageous agendas.
I am going to see how this plays out myself though as far as the gentleman in Louisiana. Wait until all of the facts are in before I start jumping to conclusions.
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