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how much firepower does a person need? I commonly carry a kel tec 9mm. i traded off the .380 b4 ammo for them got scarce, as 9mm are a lot cheaper than .380 anyway and I have other 9mm guns. if i feel the need for somthin bigger I pack a ruger p90, and a spare clip, total of 15 rds.yet my Beretta holds 15 in the clip and 1 up the pike. I prefer the .45 , im confortable with it and i always hit my target., but i was reading one of ferfals blogs about a guy that was usin a gp100 .357 and traded it off because he ran out of ammo inna gunfight/ attempted robbery. should I start carrying somthin with a hi cap mag? I can get a armscor 1911 with double stacks, a friend of mine has em in stock, they take 14 rd mags, ruger doesent have a high cap .45, but my p90 to me is the best .45 i have ever owned. how many rounds do yall carry just goin around town and such?any thoughts on this? thanks Greg
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 2:10 AMGreg-In general, I believe that handguns are the last line of defense. A good rifle, or a shotgun, are much better than a handgun in a gunfight. But, if we are called upon in an emergency to unlimber some firepower, a high capacity mag in a handgun is beneficial. My middle son ( Now managing an ICE detention facility, but a former deputy sheriff) tells me that in a battle 0nly 20% of the shots actually hit something. That being said, you need to decide how many rounds you need. If you decide that 18 rounds are needed then by all means go with a high cap mag. If you can keep your cool in a battle, then perhaps a wheelgun will work. None of us can really know until we are put in the situation. -
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 7:11 AM************0nly 20% of the shots actually hit something. ***********
Proof that people get really wigged out when it's gunfight time.
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 8:46 AMI'd agree with that. It really depends on the steady hand of the shooter. I've heard from guys that've survived firefights in vietnam and WWII, they say they just focussed so hard on the tip of their gun they can still see all the ridges on the back of that front sight.
Some people lock up or wig out in a high-stress situation. Others kick in to an immediate hyper-focus and are more coordinated physically than they ever could have been otherwise.
I wonder if someone who has not been in a firefight can have some idea of how they'd perform, based on their adrenal reactions to other high-stress, fast-paced sudden situations? Obviously an untrained person is not going to become Neo from 'the matrix'.... but it might give you some indication if your skill and training will take over, or if you need a gattling gun and a few truckloads of blind luck when the ball drops.
I carry a GP100 and I train several times a week. Mostly I focus on a clean draw and a steady trigger pull while retaining a photo-still sight picture. There's a three-foot-thick cinderblock section of wall in my apartment, I've placed a silver-dollar sized target on it with a dot in the center at an appropriate height for dry practice. I want to be able to click through all six holes with a marble balanced on top of the barrel (i'd say coin but the top of my barrel is nice and flat).
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 8:54 AMI think situational awareness counts for at least ten additional shots. I don't feel undergunned with six. Not that i consider myself the best in the west, I just make sure I wouldn't be caught in a situation where I had more than one or two targets to deal with.
If i owned say, a diamond store or bank, where there was a real chance of being faced with a group-sized threat, yes i would want a higher capacity weapon. Hell even the quickie-mart guy should ditch the wheelgun and get a hi-cap auto. But me? My threat scope is the alleyway mugger between the car and the theatre. If a group of ninjas jumps out from the shadows, I must've not been paying attention to my spider senses and gone down the wrong alleyway. -
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 10:11 AMGreg,
carry what you hit with the best. I'd rather hit once with a .45 than miss 10 times with an unfamiliar pistol in any caliber. -
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 10:20 AMI have the high capacity magazines for all of my guns. I have 30 rounders for my 10/22 , 10 rounders for my 7400 Remmingtons and my shotgun has the 8 round tube. We are gitting two old Bersa .22 pistols that come with 10 round clips. If they get past my shotguns we are probably fucked anyway. Ill cut off a couple of Single shot 20 guages if shit ever hits the fan those are the last ditch for me. Michael
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 12:43 PMya i think yall are right. about gunfighting Bat Masterson said there were 3 important things, Coolness under pressure, accuracy and speed, in that order. Ive been in firefights, and I go into that "hyper focus " state thousand was talkin about. I think it was my army training and PRACTICE at the range, lots of practice. anyway thanks yall, ill keep carryin the p90, and leave my Beretta in the garage where it belongs.
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 1:40 PM***************I wonder if someone who has not been in a firefight can have some idea of how they'd perform, based on their adrenal reactions to other high-stress, fast-paced sudden situations?************
Maybe if you've been chased around in the dark by a psycho with an axe. Maybe then.
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 4:00 PMI was chased by a lady in a pickup truck with a gun. I was on a little motorcycle and I guess i ended up in a place out in the desert where she didn't want me to be lol. Not sure what kind of gun, just a big silver shiny handgun. Never let her get close enough to see what it was haha.
Even on my best day I could never out-ride that time. I was weaving through those ravines, trails, hills and desert brush like a jackrabbit on crack. Blew out my back tyre dropping into a deep ravine that I couldn't see coming till it was too late. But I landed it and kept going, fishtailed my way home. She had to take a longer way which was good cause the flat sure as hell slowed me down.
So maybe that just means I'm a hell of a lot better off running away from a gunfight. maybe that's where my instincts kick in lol. I can hyper-focus on running away!
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 10:33 AMSometimes I wonder if having too many rounds makes one careless. Perhaps having six ready-to-go will put the shooter in a position to make each shot count more. -
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 1:42 PM************Sometimes I wonder if having too many rounds makes one careless. Perhaps having six ready-to-go will put the shooter in a position to make each shot count more.**************
I think it's nerves.
Most stateside folks who have gun fights are cops who train train train and if anyone would have it down pat it'd be them.
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 4:09 PMyeah... I've seen plenty of footage of cops caught in gunfights after pulling someone over. They almost always scream like a girl and fall or do some amazing jumping and contortion to try to get to a safe spot. I don't think I've seen any Jonny-nerves-of-steel yet...
And these are the trained guys who spend all day long in the attitude of bad-ass tough-guy.
It makes me laugh to imagine the kinds of reactions from a group of wanna-be-tough-guy civillians like all us here in this tribe.
Sure, we all have nerves of steel. we've all been in fights and we've all been under stress and we can all assure ourselves that we're tougher than anyone else.
"Well I dunno about all *you* guys, but I know *me* and I know that I'm tough enough to handle a gunfight." Just as sure as I am that nobody else in this tribe has thought that exact same thought. -
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Thu, May 7, 2009 - 7:19 PMI have no delusions at all. Being shot at is a terrifying thought. But I am not afraid to defend my home. I will be efficient or dead. I will do the job with determination not balls. Anger could also play a big role in my situation. Piss me off and Ill Fight hard. Live fire is terrifying to be in the middle of. Try standing beside a bunch of your buddies while they empty several magazines all around you. The noise is deafening for one. Its not like television where you can turn down the volume. If you cant block out the noise you will flinch every time someone else fires.
That very reason is why I choose to defend my home and not bug out. I will be dug in , aware of my surroundings and much more in tune with the cover then anyone invading my property. I pray I never have to shoot anyone. Michael
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